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Gundamnit
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January 25, 2020 9:45 pm  
Gundamit
1/25/2020
Arguing over the discrepancy between what constitutes automation, and the subsequent behavior of both myself and others over said argument
Cerberus
 
cerberusToday at 12:08 AM it falls under auto farming rules so if you have to physically touch something to harvest, fine. if its set up to farm whether you are there or not, not ok

I'm not going to go into the intricacies of why that farm was built the way it was. I've already done that several times, it clearly wasn't listened to. Instead, I'll say that it was a manual trigger to harvest multiple hives, then a manual trigger to retrieve all those bottles, and finally a manual trigger to replace all those bottles. This. This is why I continued to ask questions.

I'm not going to lie and say "I'm sorry it won't happen again" because it probably will. A staff member unversed in the intricacies of redstone mechanics and inherent farm limiters warned me that my farm was automatic. This frustrated me, and continues to do so. My farm was removed without a second chance to explain it's intricacies under the assumption that the people observing it knew better. I'm not saying I do. I'm saying that there's more in play than was initially apparent. Being told flat out that a more profitable/frequent method of collection is the only way a farm would be allowed both confuses and frustrates me to no end. I apologize, knowing full well that my provoked frustration was the cause of my ban. I hope you can see that from my perspective, your actions were rash, just as I see that my actions were curt and potentially demeaning.

This was copied & pasted from discord. I still stand by my perspective and grounding.


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cerberus402
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February 2, 2020 10:21 pm  

Hey Gun,

Since a week of your temporary 30 day ban has gone by I figured I would come in to see if you've cooled off and are ready to have a conversation.

A while ago you asked me to come look at your beehives to make sure they were within rules. When I arrived you had like 8 bee hives, all with individual dispensers and individual buttons to activate them. I said yeah, that's OK since you had to hit each one individually anyway, it was fine. Fast forward a week or two to the time of your temporary ban and I hear from Zephyna that you have a rule breaking bee farm. She lets me know that its about 25-30 bee hives, all wired up to 1 button. She also said you were being difficult and flat out not listening to her as a staff member. You belittled Zeph (literally in your post you still are) that she doesn't understand the redstone. You both agreed to just wait until I came online to handle it.

I get on to take a look, its as Zeph said. 25-30 bee hives all wired up to a single button. I informed you this was not what I had OK'd and that you need to fix it. You started explaining the mechanism, I understand the mechanism. I informed you that still, it needs to change as its against the rules. You continued to argue with me and I gave you 3 chances to change it, or I am getting rid of it. When I removed your beehives because you kept arguing, your mood changed for the worse and became even more demanding and belittling. 

I gave many warnings to stop, to cool down, to relax.. all unheeded and you continued to belittle not only myself but Zephyna (even though she wasnt even talking with you anymore) so here you are. With a 30 day temp ban.

 

To respond to some of the things directly in your post:

I'm not going to go into the intricacies of why that farm was built the way it was. I've already done that several times, it clearly wasn't listened to.

It was listened to Gun, repeated attempts by both Zeph and myself that yes, we understood what you did and that we are asking you to change it as it is against the rules. I can pull the chat logs if you want where I think no less than 7 times I said that I do indeed understand the redstone behind your farm. It's simplistic redstone, do you want to treat us as adults?

Instead, I'll say that it was a manual trigger to harvest multiple hives, then a manual trigger to retrieve all those bottles, and finally a manual trigger to replace all those bottles. This. This is why I continued to ask questions.

You didn't continue to ask questions. Unless you count repeating the same question seven different ways? I gave you an answer, you argued with me about the answer because you didn't like it.

I'm not going to lie and say "I'm sorry it won't happen again" because it probably will.

You know one of the parts is "Why should we let you back?"? If that's your stance on it I just won't let you back man. I don't have time to baby sit.

A staff member unversed in the intricacies of redstone mechanics and inherent farm limiters warned me that my farm was automatic.

Stop belittling my staff. Final warning.

My farm was removed without a second chance to explain it's intricacies under the assumption that the people observing it knew better. I'm not saying I do

I understood it, I gave you chances to change it. You literally are saying that you know better and that we're idiots, quote above man. You're being a straight up ass belittling people. No matter how many times we said we get it, you didn't believe us under the "well its really complicated". No, it's not complicated Gun. Yes, we understood it. 

I hope you can see that from my perspective, your actions were rash, just as I see that my actions were curt and potentially demeaning.

Gun, I spent probably an hour or more talking to you. Zeph spent at least 20-30 minutes talking to you. We gave you multiple assurances that we understood what you did, and that we were deeming it against the rules. I gave you multiple chances to fix it, to calm down and stop belittling the both of us. You did not. There is nothing about this temporary ban that was rash on my end. You can't talk to people the way you did and expect nothing to happen. "Potentially demeaning" is an understatement.

This was copied & pasted from discord. I still stand by my perspective and grounding.

Again, part of the unban request format is why you should be unbanned, and why we should let you back. This isn't really a good look from our end. You aren't sorry, you say it's going to happen again, and you still stand by being an ass hole. So... wanna come down and have a conversation? I would rather not make it permanent.

Cerb


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