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Owl_Talon
(@owl_talon)
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Joined: 3 months ago
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January 20, 2020 12:07 am  

1. IN GAME NAME(IGN)

Owl_Talon

2. IGN WHEN YOU WERE BANNED

Owl_Talon

 

3. YOUR UUID
I do not know.

 

4. ROUGH TIME OF BAN

4:30 A.M. GMT, Saturday, January 13, 2018

 

REASON FOR BEING BANNED(if unjust ban also state here)

I used to be a lot more competitive, and in turn would stretch the rules in order to gain a competitive advantage. I
recognize now that this is against the spirit of Eldin, and I would like to come back to the server if I am welcomed. I
am sorry, and will try to do better.

6. ADMIN YOU WERE BANNED BY

I do not know.

7. WHY YOU SHOULD BE UNBANNED WHY SHOULD THE SERVER LET YOU BACK?

If you let me back in, I will try to keep the rules, and be a good player. Eldin was my favorite server of all time,
and I would like to check in once in a while, even though I don't have the time to play anymore like I used to.

Sincerely,

Owl_Talon


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cerberus402
(@cerberus402)
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Joined: 1 year ago
Posts: 163
January 21, 2020 1:42 am  

Hey Owl,

 

Was kinda looking for something different than a copy paste that I already read, twice. Do you remember the conversations we had when I banned you around 2013? I would like to consider talking more about those conversations and not so much about bans that happened under other owners; as I do not know why you were banned after I passed my judgement.

I don't know if you remember but I had many, many conversations with you about being afraid admins were going to pin x-raying on you and ban you for that. You told me you constantly recorded yourself mining because of it; furthermore, you spread that concern with other, good standing players and got them freaked out. 

I don't want to discourage you, because I've honestly buried the hatchet and I would be OK with you and Juran returning to the server as welcomed veterans. I just want to know the issues of your paranoia 6 years ago will not return.

I don't understand your unease with technology.. I know for a fact you joined our discord a little under a year ago, so I don't really buy that you hate technology... Even Juran was surprised that you had joined our discord... I  also get an email every time someone registers / tries to register for our forums, so I also know that your account is two weeks old... which means you could have posted your unban request here to begin with... not through Juran on the discord..

Would enjoy a conversation, so hit me back on this thread at your convenience,
Cerb

 


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Owl_Talon
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January 21, 2020 7:55 pm  

@cerberus402

Hello Cerb,

In the first place, thank you for considering unbanning me.  I am happy to chat.  To be honest, I don’t remember the reason(s) I was banned in 2013.  If you would be so kind as to refresh my memory, I would be glad to talk about them.  

As for having a fear back then of being banned. . . How do I answer that?  I have effectively been banned from the server for something like 5 years now.  A lot of water under the bridge since then.  I do not believe I am paranoid, and certainly don’t expect to become paranoid upon returning to play on Eldin.  Maybe it would be best if we chatted about that in private.  

I will say I have always found you to be excellent both in person and as staff, and I have the utmost respect for you.  As far as I can remember (and I admit my memory is not what it used to be), I have never had any hard feelings toward you at all.  In fact my memories of you are as a great person!  I honestly have no hatchet to bury!  I might add that Zeph has also always seemed to me to be a caring person, who was always willing to help out.  In fact, when Juran convinced me to try out Eldin, it was Zeph that helped me get started in her town.  

I think my “unease” with technology comes from many things; not the least of which is privacy issues, and, truth be said, a lot of it is just plain laziness.  I am firmly in the camp of “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”  Changing how software works just to be “progressive” is ridiculous.  Changing software to spy on people is just plain evil in my eyes.  I see no reason to have to study, analyze telemetry, and relearn every new piece of software, or interface just because it is newer.  It is going to have to provide me with enough actual value to make it worth the privacy cost, and the time to learn it.  Unfortunately that can’t be said of most software out there anymore.

I did join your discord about a year ago through the web browser.  I was banned from it minutes after joining, and believe I have been banned from it ever since.  At least I was unsuccessful in trying to join it a couple of weeks ago.  If we get to chat personally maybe we can figure it out.

Yes, I also tried to recreate an account on your forums a couple of weeks ago.  My intentions then were to post this unban request.  Your forums told me they would send a password to me by email.  I never received it.  After Juran talked to you, I tried again yesterday, and did manage to log on to your forums, and was able to post an unban request, as is obvious.

I have played many minecraft servers, and sincerely believe Eldin to be the best that is still running.  My main interest in returning to Eldin is to be able to play on an awesome server with Juran, and BeeAngel.

Sincerely,

Owl_Talon


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cerberus402
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Joined: 1 year ago
Posts: 163
January 27, 2020 5:34 pm  

After much deliberation and discussion I have decided to deny your unban request Owl. There was a lot of damage done back then and took a while for the community to recover from it; I don't want to chance that again.

Sorry,
cerb


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Owl_Talon
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February 11, 2020 8:01 pm  

Hi Cerb,

I was planning on PMing this, as it is not my desire to cause problems.  I do not like to speak ill of anyone, and generally try to be peaceful.  Come to find out, the forums do not have a private message option that I can find.  I tried discord, but you need an invitation, and the public one don’t seem to work.  Juran said he would try to catch you, but it is obvious he is less than interested.  So I will post this to my unban thread, and when you are done with it you can simply delete it.  

Although disappointed at the decision to not unban me, I accept that you, or at least someone, don’t want me back.  I accept that as fact, however I do not understand.  I really would appreciate it if you could help me understand.

Honestly, I under-estimated, and certainly didn’t comprehend the malice that was directed toward me. You seem to think at least part of the reason I was banned was paranoia. I don’t remember you being active that much at the time, so you probably had no idea what was going on.  We worked with the peasants if you remember.  At the time it was popular to go “peasant hunting” and kill them, steal all their stuff, and grief their place.  We gave them safe refuge, and many of them stayed on as good players.  Having thought about it, I think this may be where enmity developed with some of the other city owners, and a few of the staff.  Then it just snowballed.  

Our city was griefed repeatedly, obviously by someone who had permissions, and sometimes with World Edit (a favorite was World Editing all of the water out of our farms).  We documented the griefing, and reported it.  The response was escalation.  Valuables were stolen from protected chests, things on protected lands were destroyed, regions were deleted, and blatant and obvious lies were spread about us.  Then, according to what staff themselves told us, it was decided to remove us from the server.  We were constantly threatened with banning.  We were actually told by one of the staff that he was going to ban us and say we were x-raying to get rid of us without players getting upset at him.  No reason was given.  I asked many times.  The usual answer was “You already know.”  Thing was, I didn’t know.  I still don’t know.  I can only guess that it was based on some lie, or series of lies.

Anyone that helped with our city was basically told to stop helping us, or be banned with us.  The city was popular with the server, and we were well liked.  It did raise a lot of questions, and people were told we were breaking the rules.  However no rules were specified.  It seemed that idea was to scare everyone away from us, and to scare us away from the server.  In the end it worked, and everyone left except my self.  

I had done nothing wrong, and was extremely careful to do nothing wrong.  I knew you would have to have proof if accused, and started recording everything. Paranoid? I was told, by staff, that they were coming for me, and the fact is I was not "paranoid" enough, for I innocently believed I would actually have to do something wrong for them to ban me.  I also believed it was only a couple or so of the staff, and that the rest of the staff would balance them out.  I was wrong on both accounts, and was banned.  Just how that happened, I don’t know.  I was never even told what I did to deserve being banned.  No reason was ever given to me.  In fact, as far as I know, no reason was ever given to anyone, for my friends on Eldin had no answers for me either.  I tried to post an unban request to the forums.  It was erased, and I was banned from the forums.  I was never given a reason for my ban, and much less given the opportunity to respond to it.

Now, some five years after the fact, maybe I will get an idea of what happened.  You said “There was a lot of damage done back then and took a while for the community to recover from it.” What damage?  What happened?  I know you have no obligation to explain anything to me, but I would so very much appreciate it if you would be so kind as to give an old man some closure.  You can contact me by email at JoeJohnson70@yandex.com

 

Respectfully yours,

 

Owl


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