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skates
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  • IN GAME NAME(IGN): sk8z
  • ROUGH TIME OF BAN: 2018
  • REASON FOR BEING BANNED: trolling
  • ADMIN YOU WERE BANNED BY (if you know): rabidpig
  • WHY YOU SHOULD BE UNBANNED (why should we let you back)?: I probably should've posted this immediately after it happened but I used it as a reason to take an indefinite break from the server. Me, along with some friends and other longtime players were banned for poking fun in chat occasionally. Although no one was being offensive or speaking with malicious intent (to my knowledge) rabid did not like us or our banter. So, he banned most of us. I believe you should let me back because I've played on this server since the day it was created and I don't believe the reason for my ban is justified.  
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cerberus402
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Hey man,

 

I don't remember if it was me or Rabid that banned you, but from what I remember of the time I agreed with it. Thankfully, Brendan is awesome and he has the chat logs from over three years ago that remind us of what was said:

__Chat History

[1938] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> brendan are you an australian 12 y/o
[1943] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> ?
[1947] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Prince] Awesomebrendan king of typos> no
[1950] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> ok good
[1959] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> can you double check
[1903] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> about that
[1913] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> double check what
[1914] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> i think its pretty easy to tell
[1924] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] TheKittenSlayer> phantoms
[1933] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> what about them
[1935] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> he's not 12 if that's what you mean
[1938] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] TheKittenSlayer> they scawry
[1943] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> are you sure
[1947] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] TheKittenSlayer> we're talking about phantoms now
[1947] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> be nice guys
[1949] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> geez
[1956] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> we'd really like it if he was 12
[1958] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> 😉
[1901] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> there was a rumor
[1904] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> i just wanted to ask to be sure
[1913] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Count] __Roz__> why does it matter how old anyone here is?
[1915] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Prince] Awesomebrendan king of typos> i can confirm i am older than 12
[1919] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> it doesnt matter
[1920] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> yea he is
[1921] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> i was just curious
[1922] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> 12 yearolds are fun to play with
[1934] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Count] __Roz__> thats so wrong in so many ways
[1939] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> yea can we not
[1944] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> thats not epic
[1948] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> this is a server for all ages actually
[1904] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> so it doesn't even matter
[1934] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> that's why it's family-friendly.. we have players as young as 8 and older than dirt
[1940] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> i used to be 8
[1942] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> like me
[1950] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> i used to be 6
[1955] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> i think i've been playing on this server since i was 10****
[1945] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Baronet] sk8z> what's the livestock limit
[1947] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Baronet] sk8z> in one area
[1952] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Baronet] sk8z> @broadcast
[1905] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Baronet] sk8z> so these mongs dont do it again
[1905] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[A][Queen] heartysage311 Love Gang> sk8z watch the offensive names dude

 

I think it's poetic that Brendan was who you were picking on (before he was staff), and it's Brendan who has the logs of what you actually said.. not what you are telling us in the appeal.

So I'm seeing quite a lot here dude...(I bolded the points I think are relevant) You don't think your ban was justified for using racist slurs and making pedophilia jokes in the chat (pretty sure you and battlespawn are the same group, presumable in voice laughing about it)?

 

I'm not sure if you just thought we wouldn't remember, or if you think what you did wasn't the highest level of egregious... but your unban appeal is lacking to put it mildly. To be frank, current staff is pretty disgusted  with the chat logs. We do a vote (just so there is no bias) and it was unanimous that we don't want that level of toxic behavior back on the server.

 

I bring the conversation back to this:
"I believe you should let me back because I've played on this server since the day it was created and I don't believe the reason for my ban is justified. "
... Really? You don't think your ban was justified just on racism alone? If I was Hearty I wouldn't even try to reason with you. Racism is an instant ban on this server, always has been and always will be.

Would you like to rewrite your reasoning? It's awful dude.

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skates
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Posted by: @cerberus402

I think it's poetic that Brendan was who you were picking on

I was not picking on Brendan. I was actually inquiring about what someone said previously about him, which was that he was a 12 year old Australian kid.

 

I also don't think it's fair to be comparing battlespawn and I, as well as using his chatlogs as another reason to ban me for "making pedophilia jokes" which I didn't do.

Posted by: @cerberus402

[1922] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] BattleSpawn> 12 yearolds are fun to play with

[1944] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Gentry] sk8z> thats not epic

Here's me even expressing the fact that I didn't like what he said. Although I said it in a non-confrontational way it's still me expressing that fact.

 

Posted by: @cerberus402

[1905] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <[Baronet] sk8z> so these mongs dont do it again

Racism is an instant ban on this server, always has been and always will be.

 

Mong is not a racist slur. It is a British term that is another word for idiot.

 

Posted by: @cerberus402

You don't think your ban was justified for using racist slurs and making pedophilia jokes in the chat

I did not use racist slurs and I also did not make pedophilia jokes in chat, so yes, I don't think it was justified. This is all one big misunderstanding and misinterpretation in my opinion.

 

 

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cerberus402
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@skates 

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-30129358
https://www.theguardian.com/society/joepublic/2011/oct/19/ricky-gervais-mong-twitter
https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-British-slang-word-mong-mean
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/mong
https://etymologeek.com/eng/mong/40913918
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ricky-gervais-i-was-wrong-about-mong-hqd96pnqkmg
https://britishslang.co.uk/slang/mong
https://news.stv.tv/opinion/why-we-need-to-end-the-historical-misuse-of-the-word-mongol?top

Mong isn't simply "a British term that is another word for idiot". If you took even 2 seconds to look it up, you would see the history of racism and the FACT that it is literally labeled offensive, derogatory, and dated

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Simple fact is it's my server and I don't think I want you on it if you are going to act this way in a forum of all places (a medium where you can take time to actually think through what you're writing, and adjust accordingly).

 

You still really haven't answered this question:

WHY YOU SHOULD BE UNBANNED (why should we let you back)?

Secondly I want to highlight another part of my post here:

We do a vote (just so there is no bias) and it was unanimous that we don't want that level of toxic behavior back on the server.

There was a vote among all current staff. Let that sink in for a second man. I didn't decide your fate here, 10 people independently all agreed you should remain banned. Now compare that with Sirledude, where those same 10 people also decided to give him a second chance and unban him. Do you want to know why? He showed remorse, showed growth of character, showed he isn't that same person anymore.

What are you showing, sk8z?

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skates
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Posted by: @cerberus402

Mong isn't simply "a British term that is another word for idiot". If you took even 2 seconds to look it up, you would see the history of racism and the FACT that it is literally labeled offensive, derogatory, and dated

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I was unaware of its history of racism and was using it as how it's defined on the second line in the screenshot you provided. I do apologize for using the word, I frequented a group of people from London who used the word often, and their slang had rubbed off on me. I had no intention of using the word in a racist manner, I was solely expressing my discontent with rabidpig as he despawned the entirety of my livestock without any explanation or warning.

 

Posted by: @cerberus402

Simple fact is it's my server and I don't think I want you on it if you are going to act this way in a forum of all places (a medium where you can take time to actually think through what you're writing, and adjust accordingly).

I don't understand how I'm acting in any specific way that would call for this response? I am simply defending myself from the things which you have accused me of. I apologize if I have come off any other way, but I am just trying to get to the bottom of why I was banned, because, to this day, I still do not know. I was not banned by rabidpig for saying derogatory things in chat, I was not banned for harassing members of the server, and I was also not banned for making pedo-related jokes in chat. I was banned for trolling, without any warning.

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After playing on this server for almost ten years with no previous offenses, other than an accidental ban by Pyre who believed I was x-raying, I was banned without any sort of communication. 

Posted by: @cerberus402

You still really haven't answered this question:

WHY YOU SHOULD BE UNBANNED (why should we let you back)?

I believe I should be unbanned from World of Eldin because I have been an active and respectful player throughout the server's lifetime (I started my journey on Eldin on Ishtar). Also, the word that has been the main focal point of this discussion is no longer apart of my vocabulary, thankfully, and I apologize if I offended anyone with the use of it. If you and the other staff members reconsider your decision on letting me back, you have my word that I will act and speak accordingly. I don't want a word that I was ignorant about to be the thing that prevents my return to the server that provided countless hours of joy and memories over the past ten years, and I would like to be able to enjoy a fresh map, new updates, as well as being able to create new memories with everyone. Thanks.

 

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